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UFO Hypotheses Video Interview of UFO Contactee Alex Collier by Rick Keefe Video appears courtesy of Under-Appreciated Science Productions www.ufohypotheses.com

"the LOVE that YOU withhold
is the pain that YOU carry.
Lifetime
after
Lifetime"
part of
Alex Collier's message
from Moraney and Vasais
a couple of friends
from Andromeda

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I've finally finished adding
a complete transcription of the interview.
As is my nature, I am also adding Biblical commentary
and passages I find that seem to correlate with the ideas presented;
especially passages that focus on the message of Jesus the Christ.

The Biblical additions are done by myself and
do not necessarily reflect the views of Mr. Alex Collier.
They are simply interesting correlations that I have observed
between the Andromedan message and the Biblical record of Jesus Christ.

There's more where this came from

If you like the Alex Collier video shown here,
I am happy to announce that as of 3/29/07 you can find
a growing number of other Under-Appreciated Science Productions
on the official UFO Hypotheses YouTube channel:

www.youtube.com/ufohypotheses

In addition, I've added some new Alex Collier videos
Including video of his 2008 Hawaii lecture
At the bottom of this page. Just scroll on down!

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The original adventure started March 2, 2007...

...when I was shown a very interesting video interview. This interview was recorded by Rick Keefe in 1994 when he had an opportunity to sit down and chat with UFO contactee named Alex Collier. While this interview had been in existence for over a decade, for the most part it remained hidden until it was shown as part of the 16th Annual International UFO Congress Conference and Film Festival held in Laughlin, Nevada. On Friday night, March 2, 2007 the two hour film was scheduled to begin at 9:20 pm but a long day of UFO related speakers and interesting films resulted in things running just a bit behind schedule, especially this late in the day. Many sleepy conference attendees decided to retire to bed before the film actually began at around 10:00.

Personally, I'm always curious about any new information, but my curiousity about this particular film had really been piqued by Rick's very enthusiastic promotion of the film. His energetic approach made me suspect that there was something special about this presentation. Since it is simply a face-to-face interview, the film was nothing fancy as far as production, but I was quickly drawn in by the contents of the discussion.

My initial observation was that the things Mr. Collier had been told very much seemed to mirror the messages that Lea and her alien friends have been communicating to us. He talks of personal freedom and personal responsibility for our lives in both a physical and spiritual sense. For this reason, I want to share this video with you along with any information or links I can find concerning Alex Collier and his alien contacts. Like always, then you can see it for yourself and develop your own conclusions.

So far I have found that Alex Collier did very few interviews and currently no one seems to know where he even is. From my initial research I have seen Alex Collier both highly praised and bitterly ridiculed. This only makes me more curious. Personally, I want to learn more about the message this man was given. I especially want to compare it to both the Biblical record and the information that has come from alien contacts that I am already familiar with. Like Paul once wrote, "Test everything, hold onto the good."

Whatever I find, I'll post it here, so watch for updates. If you have anything you'd like to share to further help inform us, you can leave public comments at the YouTube page at:

www.youtube.com/eyes4ears
Or via the links below each video section. Thank you all for your input so far!

- Jim

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With Rick's permission and encouragement I converted the Alex Collier interview into mpg format. Because of YouTube space limitations, in order to post it online I had to separate the video into 12 segments.

I follow each section with a text transcript and add correlating Bible passages when I see them. I think you may find it very interesting how some of these passages coincide with messages from the Andromedans.

Here's the first ten minutes:

Alex Collier interview, part 1 of 12:

Part 1 of 12 on You Tube - If you don't see a video above, click here

All transcripts and Biblical passage additions done by Jim of EARS
(In otherwords, the Biblical passage additions don't necessarily
represent the views of Alex Collier)

With transcription help (THANK YOU!) from Frank Hoogerbeets
of The Netherlands' Ditrianum Media Center

Alex Collier: Well, my background is varied. Like many other people have done a lot of different things. I've had accounting practices. I've owned commercial industrial businesses. Currently what I'm trying to do is finish three books and lecturing across southern California and the western states trying to get out information that I agreed to put out regarding the earth dilemna, the situation that we all face here. I apologize. I'm two years behind schedule. I was supposed to have started lecturing two years prior to this. I've really been out since October of '93. It'll be almost a year. That's currently what I'm trying to do, so a lot of my energy and focus has been going towards that.

Rick: Now you're in contact with the Andromedans. Who exactly are the Andromedans?

Alex: They're a particular race that exists in the constellation of Andromeda. They're just one of thousands that exist out there. They are the particular race that I talked to and have had contact with and have given me and shared information with me, are human. They're white skinned to light blue skinned, anywhere to four foot tall to eight feet tall, and they are human in every way.

Rick: Now where did they originate, Alex?

Alex: All human life originated in Lyra, and when Lyra fell during a war, long before one of the stars there exploded, they migrated out from Lyra during a war in order to preserve the race and they went to different parts of our galaxy. So all human life originated from Lyra, originally. Because of their environment, they will, from generation to generation, pick up physical changes depending upon the surface and the organic stuff, their planets, so on and so forth. The different colored race skins have to do with genetics involving the stars in which that they're exposed to. So that's basically where they came from.

Rick: So they're primary home star then is Lyra?

Alex: Yes, originally it was.

Rick: And is that currently still their home star?

Alex: No. There's no human life on Lyra.

Rick: So then where do they exist now?

Alex: In the constellation of Andromeda.

Rick: Throughout the constellation?

Alex: Yes.

Rick: They must be very plentiful then. There must be a great, vast civilization there.

Alex: Yes there is. It's an ancient, ancient race.

Rick: Have they decribed what their civilization is like to you?

Alex: Yes, they have.

Rick: Could you go into some of the details that struck you the most about their civilization?

Alex: Essentially, no matter where they are they're a one world government. Their society would be approximately forty seven hundred years more advanced than ours on a spiritual level. On a technilogical level they're fifty thousand years. But there's a balance between their technology and their spiritual. In otherwords, the technology they create is based on a spiritual necessity to evolve and not on one to defend themselves, even though it can be used for that.

Rick: Now when you say forty seven hundred years advanced spiritually...

Alex: Yes.

Rick: How do you measure spiritual advancement in years?

Alex: I don't really know. That's what they've expressed to me.

Rick: I see.

Alex: They don't even use time in their world. There's no such thing, really. They use those numbers to accomodate us so that we can use those as a point of reference.

Rick: I see, okay. What do they call their world in their language?

Alex: They don't speak. Everything is a symbol there. The whole race is telepathic. I want to back up just a little bit. There are twenty-eight different races there. Not all are human. Many are dimensional, plasmic, organic, that were there before the human aspect of the Andromedans themselves. Or the Lyrans got there and became Andromedans.

There's a lot of life on the different dimensional levels, that if we were to go to fifth density, we would be physical on fifth density even though here we're on third density, our perspective of them as being spirit. So, on each of the different dimensions there is an abundance of life that is completely different than how we would perceive it because, you know, our perception is of what third density is like. Even fourth density is very different, but we will have physical form in fourth density.

Rick: Now is third density the lowest density or are there other lower?

Alex: The animal and insect kingdoms would be, and planetary systems would be considered lower but, to be perfectly honest with you, I've not had a clear definition of that because I haven't asked. My focus really has been us and "where do we go from here?"

Rick: What is the main difference between the third density and the fourth density?

Alex: The real difference is consciousness. In fourth density you can pretty much instantly create what it is that you think. Whatever your thoughts are, you manifest almost instantaneously. So there is a major degree of responsibility in dealing with that.

Also, in fourth density we become more of a group mind. In fourth density we're all telepathic. In otherwords, everybody can read each other's minds. Which means you have to be real. You can't have hidden agendas because people will see right through you. Also, in fourth density we all become clairvoyants. We'll be able to see energy fields, see life forms. Which means that if you're hiding something it'll be seen instantaneously.

They've also said that in fourth density, when we move into that, our court systems will change. There's still a positive and negative. That exists all the way to the fifth density where you'll experience, to a strong degree, the dualities in our everyday environments. What will happen is you'll have a judge and you'll have a jury who will all be clairvoyants. They will read the energy field and know who is telling the truth and who isn't. Everything will be judged based on that. It will be based on energy, not on words.

In fourth density, when you walk by somebody or you touch somebody's hand, you will instantly know everything about them. Again, there will be no hidden agendas. Everybody will really have to be real. If they choose to have and continue to play out their agendas, whatever those are, then they will have the space. But, you will know, or people will know, I will know who we're dealing with instantaneously.

Rick: Is there an economy?

Alex: No.

Rick: And what is the basis of their economy? Is it like a spiritual economy? I've heard some people describe their views of other extraterrestrial civilizations as having a spiritual economy where the amount of psychic energy you put into something is given a value. Have they expressed any of how their social systems work?

Alex: Ok, I know a little bit about that. Essentially, everybody is given exactly what it is they need to evolve. There are many different races, and each race has...

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Rick Keefe: Now are art and music important to them too?

Alex: Yes, all of it is. But those things are very different from what we perceive. Art is creation to them: things that are created out of thought. Out of the "is-ness" - what they call "is-ness" - the Pleadians call creation - what we call God. Things that are created just by thought. By nature.

They consider art. They use extensively holographic technology. Music, their music, is of the universe. Of what the music that certain planets make as they rotate around their sun. What different solar systems make as tney revolve around their sun. And what whole systems - the sounds and energy that they create. To them, that's their music. Then they put things together. Different constellations, different star systems. They'll put those together and overlap them to create music. It's different than what we just pull out of thin air here.

Rick: How have they expressed what their daily life is like? Is there a solar day for them. Or is there night or day? What is their daily life like? Or periods of life.

Alex: There is really, to my knowledge, no set schedule. I'll give you an example of what I observed aboard one of their motherships. They don't require much sleep to my knowledge. Simply because I guess they're very healed. Their beings, their physical form, they're just incredibly healed. They're just in touch. There is no night and day. They don't need to experience that. Although I'm sure other races have that, the Andromedans don't. They're just constantly stretching themselves. Trying to evolve and experience more and more and more all the time. They're happy people. They don't have the extremes of emotion that we express here. In fact, I've been told that virtually few races in the entire galaxy express the realm of emotions that we experience here. They're just always in a very wonderful space. They're not a civilization that really judges. They do accept things the way they are. With the expception of when those things threaten their particular lifestyle. Or what they're about, their essence. And others, what other races might experience or perceive as a threat.

Rick: Alex, you said that they are evolving spiritually. What do they want to evolve towards? What spiritual goals do they have?

Alex: I guess just to be the best that they are. To be completely one with all that there is at all times.

There are eleven creational densities. My understanding is that within each of the creational densities you change your physical form. Their goal as a race is to go from the densities they experience, which are three four and five, I guess to move to five six seven and eight. Then from there eight nine and ten. And then to eleven. And now the new dimensional realm that's being created: twelve. It's just to continue to evolve. Nobody knows exactly what the ultimate goal is. Because the essences that they're in touch with, that are on nine ten and eleven, are continuing to evolve. And now there's a twelfth density that is being added to our universe. And they're being drawn up to experience this new density. So nobody really knows what the ultimate spiritual goal is. They themselves are still searching for what God is. They know it exists, but what it is nobody really knows. Which is why they call it "the is-ness." It's just a force that's there. And how we percieve it is based on how we perceive ourselves and our own belief structures, belief systems. And that's how we use the energy to create.

Rick: Now, you mentioned that they're in contact with essences from the ninth, tenth and eleventh?

Alex: Yes.

Rick: Can you describe what they descibe these beings to be like to them and what they would be like to human beings?

Alex: It's just pure consciousness. What their daily lives are like I don't know. I don't have any idea.

Rick: Have they described them at all in any sort of detail to you?

Alex: Just light. Just light.

Rick: Just light?

Alex: Just light. That's all I know.

Rick: Ok now, what abilities do the Andromedans possess that exceed those of earth humans? You've mentioned telepathy...

Alex: Well, that's an interesting question and I don't know that I necessarily like the way you put it. The abilities that they have are latent in everybody. They just haven't lived in a society that has been screwed with like we have been here. They're all telepathic. They're all clairvoyant. They're all healers because they're taught all of the sciences. They're just whole. I guess that's the only way that I can put it to you is that they're completely whole. Every soul knows who they are. They know who they've been. They know what their reincarnational past has been. They as a soul have a personal agenda which every time they incarnate they're consciously aware of. So they know where they're going. They see improvement in themselves life after life after life. We, if we hadn't been so screwed with here, would have the same abilities. We could very much be where they are.

But we've been manipulated incredibly for the past fifty seven hundred years. On an intense level every day. Our real manipulation really started about fourteen thousand years ago when the Orion group started manipulating our DNA structure. So it isn't that they're better because they're not. We're just different. We're a little bit behind than they are because of our manipulations here. But the real bottom line here is: We're All Spirit. We contain a soul. That soul is a part of all that is. And that soul has been really trying to be recognized in each of us. And it hasn't been because of the material and the belief systems that we have evolving around us being earth people, about being physical, and about the real truths of our essence. Of our existence. Of who we are having been blinded from us. From our spiritual teachings. From the religions and us being convinced that we're something that we're not: that we're physical, that we're animal form. And we're not. We're spirit. Our spirit animates these physical forms. Period.

Rick: Alex, what is the Andromedan council?

Alex: It is a political body that's represented by now a hundred and thirty three different races and cultures and planetary systems. There are over twelve hundred systems and planetary races. Evolving races that could be part of the Andromedan council but not all of them are. It would be comparable to earth here to compare it to something like the united nations. Except it's not a united nations in a sense it has a...

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Alex: ... political agenda. The Andromedan Council, as a body, their sole purpose is to facilitate evolvement of all life in the galaxy. And that's really what their goal is. It's to allow all life forms to evolve on their own without manipulation. Obviously that's not occurring here on Earth. And we're not the only ones: this is occurring on twenty-two other planets in our galaxy. But the other planets are not stuck in the muck that we are, to the degree that we are here. And this is a major concern for them because we're not moving in a direction that we should be moving. There are elements here that are definitely holding us back. And Earth has become this real prize, and not only Earth, but us as well. So I'm getting off a little bit and want to stay with your questions.

Rick: So its overall goals then are to elevate the spirituality of all life forms in their own particular way?

Alex: Evolutionary ways, right. They evolve according to the degree of their consciousness.

Rick: Now, how and why was it first brought into existence, the Andromedan Council?

Alex: I don't know. I do know that is was formed shortly after the Orion wars, which was a huge war that lasted six hundred thousand years in our galaxy, and it was predominantly between the humans, the human race, of which there's all kinds of humans, hundreds of billions of humans, and those of reptilian races that do coexist in our galaxy. There was no winner by the way. Apparently, both sides got so tired of killing each other they just kind of just stopped and an undeclared truce was formed, and I know in Orion where there's a very large group, they have their own political group called the Orion Group, and the humans and other life forms that came together and formed the Andromedan Council. And there are others that are a small part of each of the galaxy, and other galaxies apparently have their own little groups where people come together and decide what's happening, or they communicate with each other; there's trade, there's bartering, there's a sharing of wisdom, of knowledge, of essences so that everything can evolve together and work in an unconditional love type of space.

Rick: You're lucky, you're a lucky person I think. I knew you have a difficult task, but I think you are very lucky to be given this wisdom. I think you're very lucky. When did their interaction with human beings on Earth begin?

Alex: 1980.

Rick: 1980?

Alex: 1980.

Rick: And how did that begin and what was the essence of that interaction?

Alex: It really all evolved around the Pleiadians themselves. Earth has been the subject of discussion for a long time. The real attention and focus really started when we started detonating our first nuclear weapons. We did, as a race. Nuclear weapons had been used here in our ancient past hundreds of thousands of years ago because there had been wars here between a lot of different factions, predominantly most of them human. The Pleiadians had agreed or offered to come back here and try to help raise the consciousness of the planet. Well apparently what happened was that when they got here, they were really faced with their past. Now the Pleiadians had incredible civil wars amongst themselves and others, other wars. And they had just moved into a fourth and fifth density consciousness, and they didn't want to come back here and take the warrior space again. And because of the Greys' involvement here and the Orions and a small group from Sirius-B and the Orion Group and a group from Rigel, that are here as well, and others, they didn't want to come back here and move into warrior space. So they started dragging their feet. In other words, they didn't do as much as they needed to do. Well as this is occurring, changes in our galaxy are also occurring, and they're moving at a much faster rate. So the Andromedans finally said: "What are you doing? What is happening? What have you accomplished?" And the Pleiadians basically said: "We're having our own conflicts dealing with this" because the Pleiadians themselves have a tremendous amount of karma with our solar system, with Mars and Earth. They simply just weren't as motivated as they should be or could have been to start making the changes here. They also had made some communications with the earth governments that didn't go very well at all. So basically they said: "Well, we don't know what to do." So the Andromedans themselves said: "Ok, well we'll do it. We'll take this, because it is important for the whole. We'll make an effort." Now the Andromedans were probably the better choice because they don't have any karmic ties to us. So they're completely neutral, and they're probably better observers as well because of their neutrality. So they've basically been taking over, and what they did was they got involved in 1980, they're working with the Pleiadians, with the Sirians.

Rick: Which group of Sirians?

Alex: From Sirius-A, Sirius-A. So what they're doing here now is they're trying to raise the consciousness. They came back in time to 1964 to contact me. I'm not the only one. There are others. There are also other people who are mediums or channels or whatever word you want to add to it, who are also getting information on a spiritual level. Arcturians are also involved. And the whole point is, they want our part of the galaxy to evolve, and what's holding us back is our solar system, and what's holding back our solar system is the consciousness of humanity on the Earth. The Earth herself as an entity, a spiritual entity, wants to move into fourth and fifth density, but she can't yet because of the consciousness of humanity. And in order for her to do it without humanity, one of two things has to happen. Humanity either has to shape up, grow up as the Andromedans say, or humanity has to be removed and get out of the way.

Rick: Cleanse the Earth.

Alex: Exactly, whatever term you want to use. But those options don't necessarily involve us using our free will. So that's the dilemna that we have. It's like we are so entrenched in our belief systems, that the reality of our belief systems is being chipped away daily, to what we think is real. And an overlapping degree of thoughts and energy are being introduced that hopefully will open our perspective, enough people's perspective, to the point where we can experience a real leap in consciousness here. And we have to do this quickly. We have to do this by 2001.

Rick: By a particular month?

Alex: Between July and August. That's the probability.

Rick: And what happening then? What's happening between July and August 2001?

Alex: Well, basically nothing, but we're creating our future. Much of our future, that are belief systems, is being focused on the Book of Revelations, on other prophetic disasters that are to occur.

Rick: So you're talking about self-fulfilling prophecies?

Alex: Right, we're literally going to create it. We're literally going to create our own demise, because we're buying into belief systems that say: "We ourselves are not mature enough or grown up enough to take care of our own selves, so we need somebody to come in here and take care of us. And that's an absolute recipe for disaster. Because who would want to come down here and save us from ourselves? Because then they're going to have to tell us what it is that we're going to have to do. We're not taking responsibility for ourselves. The Andromedans say that the divine plan is one of freedom. Any savior that comes down here and implements a government to save us, freedoms will be taken away from you.

Rick: So that whole system of belief was part of the system of control that was set up in the first place?

Alex: That's right. A lot of it has been Grey and Orion manipulations, and if you have time travel it's very easy to go back in time and manipulate the future. It's very easy. And this they've done in an incredible way. They haven't been here thousands of years like our government says. The Greys have really only been here fifty nine years, but because of their time travel capabilities they've gone back in time and they've been able to manipulate series of historical events...

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Alex: ...bring us to where we are now, to where we are asking for somebody to come in and save us. And they're already here, and if we ask because of our free will: "Will you please save us!", well then we've asked for it and we've gotten exactly what it is that we deserved, because we didn't take responsibility as a race, to fix our own problems and to deal with our own problems. We kept looking outside of ourselves. And this is why the Andromedans are so strong about us growing up and really taking responsibility for it.

Rick: Now how many human beings is the Andromedan Council in contact with on Earth? I remember you saying at one time four.

Alex: To my knowledge they're in contact with four. Beyond that I don't know. I don't know if there are more, if there are going to be more. I know there's one in the United States, there's one in South America, one in Asia and one in Europe. But there are other groups that are here, over hundred and seventy, who may also on some level be talking to people and communicating, whether it's physical or telepathic or through mediumship, dealing with the different spiritual levels. There's a lot of information that's being sent down here.

Rick: Are they finding it's effective, is it working?

Alex: To a degree. It's not working as quickly as they want, simply because most people are incredibly apathetic. They're stuck in their nine to five, I have to make my mortgage payment, my kids got to get to school in the morning and I don't give a damn about anything else. And unfortunately that isn't going to work. It isn't going to save you, it isn't going to protect you. There's so much more going on here. And we are just one small part of this whole picture that's going on. And we have to wake up. Period.

Rick: Now one of your contacts is a four foot eleven inch light blue skinned being called Vissaeus.

Alex: That's correct.

Rick: Please describe his or her personality in detail.

Alex: Vissaeus, well he's very serious, he's very benevolent. He's considered a sage in his world. He's an incredible healer. He has perfected some things that are just far beyond anything, anyone that I know. He's very direct. He's very humble. He's very soft. He's very direct. And when he moves into a room, like when I've walked with him or walked with the others and we walk into rooms or different areas of motherships and the ships, energy changes, people, of course, they're very in touch with energy themselves, they instantly turn and they acknowledge him and they bow. I guess he would be considered an ishwish or a Yahweh, an admiral or a, I don't want to use the word god.

Rick: An elder?

Alex: An elder, of tremendous wisdom and insight. They take very seriously what is going on here. And the manipulations, the things that the Greys, the Orions and the reptilians are doing here. They're appalled with what's going on here. The other one is Morenae.

Rick: Let me get to Morenae in a second here. You mentioned directness twice. With that in mind, what was the most memorable interaction you've shared with Vissaeus?

Alex: They're all memorable. But I guess the single most, well there's been two, one that's just occurred, but prior to that, the single most important one was, I had just had a contact and we had spent about an hour or so together, and I was very depressed, very sad, and as I'm leaving the ship I was crying and I turned around and I looked at him, and he looked at me and he smiled, and his words were: "The love that you withhold is the pain that you carry." That's been the most memorable one, only because of what that particular statement entails. When we leave our physical form, what many of the catholicisms teach, you’re judged by God. It simply isn’t true. We judge ourselves. And what I read in that statement is that when we cross over, we look at the places in our life where we withheld love, that we maybe didn’t give enough. We judge ourselves on that. So that’s been the most profound one for me.

Rick: And Morenae, he’s seven and a half or eight foot, snow-white skin, hairless being.

Alex: He’s light blue as well.

Rick: Oh, light blue. I'm sorry. Can you describe his personality then in detail?

Alex: He is serious but he also has a really good sense of humour. He can snap me out of my depressions very quickly, and he has just a different perspective of looking at things. He also tends to be part of their exploratory team. In other words, when there are times when they need to defend themselves or they’re confronted with something, he takes on a military type of role. He’s very, very fatherly, a big brother. He’s also one that, he shows more emotion. He’ll give you a hug or he’ll put his arm around you. He’s just really, really wonderful in that sense. He’s more human, in that sense. He’s not as sterile sometimes as Vissaeus would appear to be. It’s not that they’re not loving, but sometimes Morenae is a lot more animated, and I can relate more to him, and I think he can relate more to the emotions that we experience here, the tremendous extremes that we experience. I think he’s a little bit more in touch with that than maybe sometimes Vissaeus appears to be.

Rick: Now let me ask you, what was the most memorable experience you’ve had with Morenae?

Alex: I can’t talk about that. I won’t talk about that.

Rick: Ok. Please describe where and when you were born, and your youth.

Alex: That’s not something I want to talk about either.

Rick: Ok.

Alex: Because it’s not about me, it’s about the information.

Rick: Ok, that’s fine. In detail, please describe your first contact at eight years of age in 1964.

Alex: I didn’t really know anything about it. I just knew that I supposedly had fallen asleep, and when I woke up it was evening. Everybody had been looking for me, and I wasn’t where I was. And when I took them back to show them where the imprint was. We were playing hide-and-go-seek. This was in the peninsula of Michigan, at Woodstock, Michigan, and the people had been looking for me and I wasn’t there. And I got a spanking because I wasn’t where I was supposed to be, and I had been missing for hours. I didn’t really know what had occurred until the second contact, which was at age fourteen. Or I was told what had happened, that they had given me a physical. They had given me a suggestion to forget because of my family members just simply wouldn’t understand. And they were right. They were very right about that.

Rick: Why was the physical necessary?

Alex: Well they do that all the time. They do that to everybody to make sure that you’re physically fit because they generally care about your physical health, and if there are problems they want to make us aware of it and maybe offer suggestion like maybe you shouldn’t do this, you shouldn’t do that. Some people are even experiencing healings. And it’s just a genuine caring for, of acknowledging who you are, not only on a physical level, but on a spiritual level.

Rick: Now, at age fourteen, what was the nature of that contact?

Alex: I was taken out of bed, and I woke up, and I was on a table in a room, and this was my first introduction to Vissaeus and Morenae, at least conscious introduction. And they were looking down and I did on a soul level experience a recognition. There was no fear whatsoever. We talked and they showed me some things about my physical self. They also gave me a ball, which recorded my entire energy field, who I was, who I’d been in past lives. And as it was recording this, I could see all these different images of who I’d been going across the screen. And they saved this, and this was put into the computer so that they would contact me and could contact me, no matter where they were, at any particular time that they needed to. I was asked if I wanted to help them. I agreed to do this although at the time I didn’t know what it would entail. I had at any time the choice to say “no more.” But it’s been an incredible experience for me.

Rick: Alex, I presume then, if you had soul recognition with them, that you had had previous incarnations with them.

Alex: This is true.

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Rick: Do you want to talk at all about any of that?

Alex: No.

Rick: Okay.

Alex: No. Everybody on the Earth is from some place else. None of us were born and hatched here. None of us as souls were created here. We all come from another time and place. My understanding is that all of the conscious spirit that’s in this universe came through different black holes from other universes in time and space, which we simply aren’t privy to. So we, we’re ancient. There’s no age to us. We weren’t created with the universe. We came through another universe through the black holes to this place that we now call our universe, to continue to evolve. That’s everyone, virtually everyone.

Rick: That contact at age fourteen, was that contact time travel in any way by the Andromedans to prepare you psychologically for your future contacts?

Alex: Yes, all the contacts is where they had to come back because they came here in 1980. So they had to go back in time. And that’s what they’ve done with a lot of people. Even the Pleiadians to some degree I understand have done that, where they go back and they start preparing people early for responsibilities they will have in the future, as opposed to hitting them all at once and saying: “here you go”, just dumping on your lap and just thinking: “oh my god, what is this. My whole reality!” So there’re increments of preparation that have occurred and that continue to occur. And this is occurring with humanity on a whole in a similar fashion, where information is being disseminated and little bits and pieces of ground roots people are starting to come together and really sensing change. And they’re slowly but surely being brought to a level that when the real truth hits them, they’ll be able to experience it, handle it and assimilate it for our good, you know.

Rick: In 1985 your contacts with Vissaeus and Morenae began to become more frequent. Please describe the nature of your contacts and the content of your discussions and the ways in which you communicate with them.

Alex: We don’t have enough time for that. But we have put together a series, series one and series two, of this information. In 1985 it really started to, the information, they were physical, it evolved around the Greys, the Earth agenda, our spirituality, religions, earth governments, Earth history, our genetic creations, the twenty two different races that have actually colonized the Earth at one time or another, and who we have within us genetic racial memories of within our DNA. And present time, things that are occurring now, and probable, I stress, probable future events, because the future is being created every day, and it's being changed every day, based on our thoughts. So just to sum up it, I would need ten hours. That’s not something I could very simply go into. But the series of eight, and so on and so forth, does in fact cover that, all that information.

Rick: How does the symbol they gave you play a role in your contacts with them?

Alex: Symbol?

Rick: Apparently they gave you a symbol that you use when you wanted to talk to them.

Alex: The symbol was something that I chose.

Rick: Do they ever talk amongst themselves in a language you don’t understand?

Alex: They do and it’s not really a language. They’re telepathic, and yes, they’ll stand in circles when they’re talking. And when they do talk, flashes of light where their third eye is, right here, different flashes of colors, colors that we don’t even have on our third density spectrum, just appear, and they’re just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, flashing all this color, and it’s like instantaneous sentences are being just communicated, and then sometimes there’s nodding, sometimes there’s nodding this way (no), or sometimes up and down (yes), sometimes there’s gestures, but all the time there's just flashes, and their flashes is their language. It’s rare that I’ve been privy to what it is because they happened so fast. I couldn’t assimilate it.

Rick: So there are some universal gestures then.

Alex: Yes. All human beings are very animated. Yes, they smile. They also frown, and they also look very sad when something is distressing them. So they do experience it. They do experience emotions, but not to the degree that we do. After they’ve had their discussions one will turn to me, most of the time it’s Morenae, and he’ll talk to me, like I’m talking to you. He’ll actually go into great lengths to speak to me. Or, sometimes it’s just telepathic. He’ll just look at me and for a while I wasn’t always getting the message because I was so focused on the color that was flashing in front, I was watching that, I was like "wow, this is really amazing." So sometimes he would have to repeat it. But that novelty has worn off so now I listen to the message. Vissaeus is almost always telepathic, so that’s what they do.

Rick: What did they ask you to do in order to help them?

Alex: Just to disseminate information. I’m currently in the process of trying to investigate all of the current UFO information that’s out there. And what I’ve had the ability to do is sometimes check it with them: "is this true? is that true?" and they’ve said yes or they’ve said no. There is a lot of disinformation out there. So what I’ve been trying to do is just to assimilate what is real and give it from their perspective of how it affects us. We have a real mess on our hands.

Rick: Ok, let’s talk about some of that. According to your Andromedan sources there are three groups of extraterrestrials who are involved in very distressing agendas here on Earth. One is the renegade grey-skinned Zeta-Reticulans. Another is the Giza Intelligence formerly of the Pleiades. And a third is the Reptilians from Alpha-Draconis. Is there another?

Alex: Yes, there’s the Orion group as well, and there’s a hundred and forty-one of them here, and they’re from Ursa-Minor, Ursa-Major, Rigel and Betelgeuse, from that particular group, that particular area of the star system. There are a lot of agendas here, hidden agendas. And you have to understand that some of the races, for example the Draconians. The Draconians themselves did not evolve as a life form in our universe. They were dumped here. They were brought here because they’re just a pain. They’re incredibly smart. They’re incredibly psychic. They’re incredible builders, but they’re bullies. Their whole thing is control, domination. And because there’s no race in our universe that can really beat them up and wipe them out, they don’t have to choose light or dark. They’re just where they are, and they’ve chosen the opposite polarity. They’re a tough bunch. They’ve manipulated a lot of civilizations throughout our galaxy. They’re also responsible for the six hundred thousand year war which almost annihilated the human kind, human species in our galaxy. And they show very little remorse about it. Hopefully they’ll be leaving soon. But the others are life forms that have evolved, like the Orions. The Orion group has been genetically manipulated and have been deeply entrenched in Draconian belief systems. So they’re carrying that energy or that torch for whatever their agendas are, as well as their own agendas. The Reticulans, the Greys have been also, have been controlled and manipulated by the Orion group. So there is a system, a class system here that’s been established. And this is very common in the non-benevolent or aggressive extraterrestrial structures where there’s a class system of workers, warriors, administrative or priests, and then the hierarchy, the royalty. And the lower you are, the worse you’re treated. We have a history of that here on our planet as well. And we have been taught this by the aliens themselves. And the Pleiadians very much were part of that as well. For a time they were very much in that belief system.

Rick: Let’s focus for a while on the renegade Zeta-Reticulans. What appears to be the agenda of the grey-skinned Zeta-Reticulans?

Alex: Number one I would like to say that there’s a lot of confusion that not all Reticulans are evil. There are some Reticulans that are...

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Alex: ...incredible healers, that are incredibly benevolent. Unfortunately most of them are getting a bad rap right now because of what the Greys are doing. You know, there are five different sub-species of Greys.

Rick: May I interject here for a moment. I’ve heard the phrase “long-nose Grey”, describing the physical characteristics.

Alex: Those are not the benevolent Reticulans. The benevolent Reticulans look like children.

Rick: So the non-benevolent ones are the long-nose Greys?

Alex: That’s correct.

Rick: That’s what I thought.

Alex: That’s correct. And there’s a lot of information. Some people are really experiencing real benevolent experiences with them, or they’re told they’re experiencing benevolent, when in fact they really haven’t. They just maybe haven’t been regressed or taken deeply into their subconscious to know what is happening. They’re incredible masters of mind manipulation. But anyway, their race is dying. They have been so genetically altered by the Orion group that they cannot reproduce. So they were told by the Orion group to come down in here, to come in here, this is how it’s been related to me, to come in here and set the stage to break down the social structure so that when the Orion group and the Draconians come back there are two classes: royalty and workers, which is exactly what they’re doing.

Rick: You could see that agenda happening right in the United States since the beginning of the Reagan Administration.

Alex: Well, this is where the focus has been. It’s been on the United States, singly. And there’s been a reason for that which we will cover in just a little bit, just let me get my thoughts out here, which is exactly what the Greys have been told to do, and they’re doing it. In the meantime they themselves have their own agenda. They see us because of our genetic stock, of having the DNA of twenty-two different races and the racial memories, of trying to breed to cross the genetic bridge so that they as a race can have enough genetic stock to continue to propagate their race, which according to the Andromedans they’re destined for extinction. What they’re doing is not going to have any long term effects to propagate their race. So they’re desperately trying to do what it is that they’re trying to do before the other two groups get here. The Greys also themselves want to be free from the manipulation of the Orion group, just like we as a race want to be free of their manipulation. So there’s this incredible triangle of crap that’s hanging all over us. And all these hidden agendas and brainwashing and bizarre belief systems that are being thrown at us. They should all leave. Not only the good ones and the bad ones, they should all just leave, and leave us alone, which is ultimately what the Andromedans want. But unfortunately that isn’t going to happen right now, not until some changes occur.

Rick: We have to raise our consciousness.

Alex: Right. We need to. And the first thing we need to do is we need to stop warring with each other. We need to come together as a race, and no matter what happens, we need to stop all of the political garbage and say look, when it comes down to the bottom line, all we have is each other, as a race. Period. And this is our planet, this is our home, and there’s enough of us that are polluting the planet that we need to stop. Because if we don’t stop polluting the planet, Rick, we’re not going to have a place to live. Period.

Rick: Is there an Earth quarantine that the renegade Zeta-Reticulans violated?

Alex: Yes.

Rick: And what was that quarantine?

Alex: The quarantine was the same quarantine that any other evolving planet has: no intervention with an evolving race. But because of our genetic stock the Greys did it. But they did it in such a way that didn’t totally violated our free will. They dangled a technological carrot to the government and the government took the bait. They said: “Sure!” For their own reasons they took the bait. And there was an exchange of technology, and there was a treaty that was signed. And this is a dilemma that the Andromedan Council has. If the United States military had said: “Go away!”, the Greys would have had to have left.

Rick: So, was this the air force base situation or the Eisenhower situation where he had representatives? Is this the one that took place in the fifties?

Alex: Yes.

Rick: Ok, and this was with the long-nose Greys then?

Alex: That’s true. And there were two groups there as well, the seventeen Sirians from Sirius-B who are still here, who were also witnesses to this to add credence to it. Just to add to this, the Andromedans have also said that in 1933 when the Greys really first got here, that they had actually approached the Germans, and the Germans said: “No, you're out of here. We already have an agreement.” And apparently the Germans were in touch with Giza Intelligence. So the Greys left. They didn’t pursue it at all. And they found their next opening here in the United States.

Rick: Let’s digress just a moment. You mentioned Sirius-B. They have a relationship with the Dogon tribes in Africa. Is that correct?

Alex: Yes, I understand that there is some ancestral genetic connection there.

Rick: Ok, does that play a part in what’s going on here on a global level, or is that just kind of a minor side light of information?

Alex: I don’t think at this point they give a damn about the Dogons or the humans at all. They all have their own agendas. And the fact that the way we’re being treated and the fact that there is no supportal government coming, supportal information coming out of our government, or any truth that they even want to discuss, like just coming to the people and saying: “Look folks, we screwed up. We need your help. We need to raise our consciousness and start implementing”. The fact that they even don’t want to do that tells you really where they’re at. What I do know about the Sirians is that between Sirius-A and Sirius-B there is a civil war going on there. And there are also twenty-one other systems where there’s war going on in Perseus as we speak. And twenty-one other star systems are also looking at the potential, and it has to do with the fact that there is now an uplifting of energy in our universe that’s occurring, and the two positives, fear and love are just banging themselves at each other, and the intensity is growing, is growing every single moment. And we’re just a microcosm of that.

Rick: As you’re disseminating all this information to us, we should look at all this information in the spirit of love, so we don’t feed any energy into the spirit of fear.

Alex: Love is the answer. That’s the bottom line. Love is the answer. Love does conquer all. Love does move mountains. It can make the shifts in consciousness, but it starts number one with ourselves.

Rick: So even when all this is going on around us we just need to remember to focus on love.

Alex: Love of self, and love of Earth, love of race. That’s right.

Rick: When did the Zeta-Reticulans begin to create their genetic atrocities. Where did this take place on Earth and what have the results been?

Alex: Well it’s occurring everywhere. Much of it is occurring underground. Some of it is occurring in the oceans. Some of it is occurring on the Moon. Some of it is occurring on Phobos, the moon of Mars. It is happening in a lot of different places.

Rick: Is that an artificial moon?

Alex: Yes, absolutely, and so is our moon. Our moon is artificial. Completely artificial. It was brought here from Ursa-Minor apparently between eleven and twelve thousand years ago.

Rick: For the purpose of?

Alex: Of being a satellite and a base, which they evacuated some time ago, but it’s now being operational again. And I cover this in the series of eight. It came from a star system called Cha-Taa. For a word, that’s the word they use, Cha-Taa, and it was the seventeenth planet of a solar system that had twenty-one planets, and it was one of four moons. And it was brought here. It is older than the Earth. There are ruins all over it. There are bases underneath it. It is everything that we’re told that it isn’t. So that’s a unique story unto itself.

Rick: What are the results of these atrocities, these genetic atrocities been, and are we going to begin to see more of them occurring?

Alex: Well, the Greys are trying to create a sub race that is a blend between human culture, the human race, and their race.

Rick: Kind of a hybrid.

Alex: Exactly. They’re not being very successful. One of the things that they’re trying to do is they’re really looking for the soul. They don’t understand the soul. They don’t understand our extremes of emotions as well, because they’re very, very different from us. There's experiments that haven’t been all that successful; there are a lot of emotional problems with that, with what they’re doing, because what really makes a human being, is our essence, is the spirit that animates the physical form. There’s also another factor, and that is that they actually feed off the energy; they’re vampires.

Rick: The Zeta Reticulan greys?

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Alex: The greys, right. They're vampires.

Rick: Is this where we get our vampire legends, a lot of our vampire legends?

Alex: I don’t know about that. I don’t know if that has to do with it. I don’t really know. I wouldn’t be surprised to be perfectly honest with you, but they feed off the energy. They can even bottle the energy and use it for later times. They’re also stealing the vital bodies of human beings and storing it. So they’re just doing some really horrific things here that other just simply wouldn’t conceive of doing.

Rick: Are you familiar with Salvador Versado?

Alex: No, never heard of him.

Rick: He’s a gentleman who proposes that, he's a former Jesuit priest who proposes that coloseum type sporting events are used to vampire energy off their crowds.

Alex: I wouldn’t at all be surprised. It wouldn’t surprise me in the least.

Rick: He said the sacrifice of human beings in some ancient civilizations here on Earth was a form of belief system that was set up for these beings to vampire energy off of.

Alex: I wouldn’t be surprised at that either. War, our wars here. It’s the exact same thing. And to all of your viewers I’m going to give you some homework: it is an absolute must that you go out and get the book “The Gods of Eden” by William Bramley. It is an excellent introductory book that will bring you right up to speed with what’s going on. It is over eighty percent accurate with the information in there, and I strongly suggest that people read it. It’s excellent.

Rick: And the twenty percent that isn’t accurate revolves around what type of ideas?

Alex: Around the soul and the being that we know as Jesus, which I’m not going to go into.

Rick: Now how are we doing on time here, do you still have some more time?

Alex: Well, we've come here an hour so far. We'll continue.

Rick: Ok, let me know when we need to break.

Alex: Ok.

Rick: How were the renegade Zeta-Reticulans able to manipulate Earth’s most powerful governments into a position of checkmate?

Alex: It’s easy. That part was really easy. Number one, their technology is twenty-five hundred years more ahead of us. Number two, because of our greed factor, certain groups of power elite are in touch with them on a physical level. Well many of them are implanted. Many of them are so implanted that they have now become part of the Grey group mind. And the Andromedans no longer consider some of these human beings, terrans as they call us, are human at all any more. They’re nothing but clones for what the Greys want. And they pass down orders, they tell others what to do, and of course the chain of command that we’ve established on our planet, is exactly what’s happening. Also, playing on the greed factor, those who are still human, they look at the fact that: “Well, they’re here, they’re the rulers. We could still maintain our place of privilege in the world, so we’ll form the new priesthood. We’ll be the go-between between the workers and the gods" just like we saw in Babylon, in Syria, Egypt; it’s all over again. It's history repeating itself all over again.

Rick: Because it's the control-factor, the hierarchy is the established mode for these negative civilizations to keep their power structure intact.

Alex: That’s right.

Rick: Ok.

Alex: And it’s another thing, and there’s also one more factor: it is about human beings out for power, selling out their own race.

Rick: The world club.

Alex: Just selling out the rest of us, the human race for their moment in glory, for their privilege to be with the gods, so to speak, who are aliens. That’s what it is, to have technology that can take them to the moon, technology that can take them to Mars, that will give them the technology to time-travel. They totally sold out a race, our history, everything, for their brief moment in the sun. It pisses me off.

Rick: I’m sure when they look back on their lives afterwords, I would assume they would regret their choice.

Alex: I don’t know. I don’t know.

Rick: How will the renegade Zeta-Reticulans have to be removed?

Alex: If we can create, if humanity makes a real commitment to create an environment of unconditional love, and simply refuses to hate, to go to war, to kill each other and destroy our planet, they’ll have to leave because they can’t deal with the vibration. If we can’t, it’s going to take outside intervention to get them out of here. Period.

Rick: Are the renegade Zeta-Reticulans going to try to deceive humanity with an elaborate religious event they are staging?

Alex: The perceived second coming, yes. I have been told to really be aware of that, that they are very capable of playing out the second coming, creating a clone who will look like the image on the shroud of Turin, which by the way was one of their deals, and this soul will have holographic imprints and information regarding all the world’s religions. He won’t have a soul. And yes, we've been let down this path of the book of Revelations that this is God’s word, this is the way it has to happen. And you know what? God didn’t write the bible! Man wrote the bible! Period! E.T.’s didn’t write the bible, but some E.T.’s did tell those souls, those men, what to write. And we have been led down this path where will totally will succumb our free will to become subservient. I’m not here to offend anybody. But really think about it: really think about what we’ve done and what our history has been. We’ve been to this place so many times before, and we still haven’t gotten it right. And we’re still not going to get it right unless we do it as a race, and just cut out all the crap. Period.

Rick: I'm going to jump a question. Do they have control of the world media?

Alex: Greed does, greed does. I don’t know if it’s them themselves. The programming is being introduced and it is mankind that is introducing it to the masses.

Rick: So it’s the people that are selling out.

Alex: That’s it, it’s the new priesthood. That’s where the responsibility lies.

Rick: What would be the outcome if human beings believed that renegade Zeta-Reticulans were the hope of mankind?

Alex: We would know a tyranny and an enslavement that is far beyond anything we could even imagine. To put it just quite bluntly, we'll never be free again. We'll never be free again. We will be stuck until we’re rescued by an outside force. We ourselves will not be able to break free. That’s the bottom line. And right now we have an opportunity: there is a window of time for us to break free, to do it ourselves, to really make this incredible leap ourselves, so that we can have the benefit of taking responsibility for it.

Rick: In that passion that you talk with right there, that passion that we have if we want to break free, should be manifested into the spirit of love?

Alex: Yeah, love, that's the bottom line! It’s brotherhood. It’s knowing that hey, we’re a race. It doesn’t matter the color of our skin. We are a race. And we’re being messed with in a big way. We’re being manipulated in an incredibly audacious way. They’re just mocking how stupid we are, when we’re really not stupid. But nobody will tell the truth; nobody will come out and say: “Hey, none of this is right! We were never meant to live this way.” And they have no right to come down here and mess with us the way they’ve done that. The real strength in us, in our own permanent evolvement as a race, will come from us standing up, taking a stand and saying: “You know what, no way! We’re not going to do this. We’re not going to destroy ourselves for your enjoyment so you can feed off of us. You have no right to manipulate our governments, to create wars.” None of this was right, and that’s it! We need to stand up as a race, exercise our free will and say: “You know what, we don’t want to live this way anymore. We want to create a real future where our kids will have an opportunity to be whatever they want, to live in an environment that’s clean, that’s free, where they can have water to drink, where they can go out and eat fruit, where they can play in the dirt without getting radioactively toxic. All of this stuff that we’re doing to ourselves!

Rick: So the people with weapons are the police, the military people. These people need to be persuaded and persuade themselves and then believe themselves that they can lay down their weapons, that they don’t need to use them against other human beings, that they can love other human beings, interact with them without a violent or power control type of situation going on.

Alex: I’m not saying that there aren’t some human beings that definitely don’t have...

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Alex: ...serious problems. I'm not saying that at all, there are some who do. But the bottom line is, when you look at the whole picture, and you go up the ladder. We are not the enemy. The enemy isn't human at all.

But it's pushing all our buttons so that we're so busy looking at each other and so neurotic about each other, that we're not looking at the real reality here. The real cause, which is another race or races that are here who are totally playing games with us. Feeding off our energy and hoping that we destroy ourselves so that they can keep the planet for themselves.

Rick: And really, let's say who it is again. It's the Orion group.

Alex: It's the Orion group, it's a group that is on its way here now from Alpha Draconis. They're the real culprits behind this whole deal.

Rick: Alpha Draconis or Orion or both those two?

Alex: Alpha Draconis, they're the real culprits behind this whole thing.

Rick: Above the Orion group?

Alex: Yes. Then there's Orion, the Orion group, and then you've got the greys.

Rick: Where does the Giza Intelligence fit in here?

Alex: They were just a group that are totally independent that came in and did their own thing. They were percieved as gods and they played the role out. And they got stuck in it. They got stuck in the ego part of it: "We're gods, we can do this, we have all this technology" - and they just played it out for all that it was worth. But to be honest with you, at this point they're not really much of a factor anymore. You know, Giza Intelligence. They're not much of a factor at all anymore.

Rick: What should a human being do if they encounter a renegade Zeta Reticulan? What would your advice be?

Alex: Stand in their truth. If you can't run, stand in your truth. And just look at 'em. If they try to project their thoughts into your head you just stand firm with who you are and you say "NO! You are NOT coming into my head! You are NOT taking me over! And you are NOT, NOT going to violate my free will! I don't give a damn who you are. Leave me alone. Period!" Because if it's a benevolent they will not try to do it. They will not try to take you over. They will not try to put crap into your head so they can feed off of your fear. Period.

Rick: All right, excellent. Ok, I'm going to skip the Giza Intellegence for the moment then and we'll go to the Alpha Draconans...

Alex: Can we take a short time out?

Rick: Oh, definitely.

Alex: Thank you.

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Alex: You know, Rick, there's something else I want to stress here, and this is something that the Andromedans have really stressed. There is no race any better than us. Just because they're different, just because they're more evolved doesn't mean that they're better. We are equal. We're just not maybe as aware as they are. But that doesn't mean that any race is any better or any less. In fact, we're all equal.

Rick: So we should not worship anybody.

Alex: No! Absolutely not! That's how we got into this mess in the first place. If you want to worship somebody, worship the God within you. That's it. Worship no one else. And if you're going to have a tyrant in your life, let it be that part of you that's critical of you. Let that be your only tyrant. Don't give anybody else any power outside of your physical form to be a tyrant, to control you, or manipulate you in any way. Be yourself. Because if you are yourself you're a part of God, and that part of you knows what to do. It knows the right way to live.

And you know, this is really interesting. Because of our genetic makeup: of the twenty-two different races and all of the DNA and the racial memories that we have and the genetics that we have. Because of the fact that we are spirit. Do you know, and this is an incredible thing, do you know that the Andromedans actually consider us royalty? THEY consider US royalty! We obviously aren't acting like royalty. But we're the only ones in our galaxy that can make the claim to having the genetics that we have. And the possibilities and the capabilities of doing what we can do as a race. We're the only ones. They actually consider every single one of us royalty. Now think about that.

Rick: I guess all beings that would try and be spiritual and raise their spirituality in essence would be royalty.

Alex: Yes, I suppose that's true.

Rick: Ok, let's talk a little bit about the ringleaders then of this whole orchestration that's going here on earth. According to your Andromedan sources there are twenty-two races that originally colonized the earth. The first race being the reptilians from Alpha Draconis. What was the nature of their colony here?

Alex: Well, they're hyperborean. Basically they're explorers and they're also genetic engineers. They would just colonize. They would take samples. They would hang a flag and say "this belongs to us" just like we did with the moon. Except we weren't the first ones there. Exactly what we've done. They were explorers. They would just go to a place, they'd see what was there. They would explore it. If there were minerals that they needed, if there were other life forms, organisms, whatever it is that they needed, they took. And then when it was done, they had enough and they moved on and kept exploring and expanding their realm of explorational territory.

Rick: You said they were dumped here.

Alex: Originally they were. They were dumped in Alpha Draconis. Nobody knows exactly where they came from and my understanding is that even in their ancient history they don't know exactly where they came from. But they were left in Alpha Draconis because that particular system offered them the highest probability of survival. From there they were able to create craft, space travel. They're magnificent at what they did and they're to be commended for what they did, but the fact that they need to control and dominate and manipulate to the degree; sorry, I have a problem with that. So does half of the galaxy. That's just the way they are. They're the biggest bully. Nobody can beat them up or wipe them out. So therefore they have no motivation to change. So that's the space they hold. The Andromedans actually consider them the ultimate warriors, which says a lot for whatever reasons.

Rick: A lot of bullies end up destroying themselves.

Alex: Well, that's something that may possibly need to happen we hope soon. Or, I hope soon. Because we need to be free. We need to have our shackles that have been put around us let go of so that we can really evolve.

Alex continues: We have awesome potential. We really do. We have been, as a race, we have been through so much here. We have so much experience. And because of our emotions, which is really our strength that really sets us apart from all the other races out there. Even the other human races. You know, we have tremendous capababilities to create things. But we need to get clear of what's real and what isn't. You know, we also need to get real clear about being able to create our own future. To create our own reality and not have somebody say "Well, that doesn't work for me so you're gonna have to do this..." You know, or play god and ruler over us.

Rick: A sense of responsibility is so important in all of this.

Alex: Right! With any sense of power, with any knowledge, comes responsibility. That's exactly right. And the divine plan is one of freedom. Free expression: free expression, free expression, free expression. It is not one where they're wanting to implant us and they say "you are going to be a worker, you're gonna be this, you're gonna be that" - Sorry, that's not what it's all about. And if anybody tries to force that stuff down your throat, fight it.

Rick: Ok, so the Andromedans tell you that the Alpha Draconans are here now. Where?

Alex: There are eighteen hundred and thirty three of them that have been living underground between one hundred and two hundred miles beneath the surface. Some of them have been here a long, long time. They have life spans that are thousands of years. They're carniverous. They are not friendly to mankind, at least the ones that are here.

Rick: Are you saying carniverous: they eat humans?

Alex: Yes. And they won't eat a dead human. It has to be alive at the time of the killing. Their preference is children. You know, we've been told, "you shouldn't talk about that..." You know, other people say, "you better not talk about the reptilians." Well, you know, BULL! WHY NOT?! According to the Andromedans they're responsible for thirty one thousand seven hundred and twelve children disappearing in the last twenty five years from the United States. These children were food! And I'm supposed to just shut up and not say anything about it? Because people don't want to hear it? That's tough. That's tough! You know, Westchester county in the last five years: three thousand children in Westchester county, New York have vanished without a trace. Where are they going? Why are we allowing this to happen? And why should people want to stay in denial about it?

Rick: How are they able to do this? How are they able to do it? How are they able to come up from underground and do it. Or do they have agents working?

Alex: There are tunneling systems everywhere. They are being helped by the greys and also there are groups within the higher eschelon that are actually helping them...

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Alex: ...acquire this.

Rick: So human beings are abducting the kids and giving them to the Greys who in turn give them to the Alpha-Draconians?

Alex: That’s right. That’s part of the deal. They won’t come up as long as we feed them down there. You understand, it’s about human beings selling themselves out. The echelon attitude here: the needs of the few outweigh the needs of humanity. And sorry, that just isn’t right. But it’s going to have to be humanity that’s going to rise up and take the stand. You’re just going to have to turn off your televisions. They’re going to have to get in their car. They’re going to have to fire everybody in Washington D.C. that knows and does nothing. And they’re going to have to do something. This apathy has got to end, otherwise the way we live is going to end. Period. I mean, that’s the bottom line. And I'm not coming from a fear space; I’m really quite angry about the apathy and the fact that when people give lectures and try to tell this, people want to stand up and fight with them. Look at what’s happening around us! The indications are everywhere, everywhere. The truth is now an obscure thing; the lie is the norm! There’s something wrong here! What’s wrong with this picture?! Sorry, I’m getting crazy.

Rick: No you’re not. You’re expressing frustration I think. Aside from the carniverous aspect to the Alpha-Draconians, why else are they dangerous to humanity?

Alex: Because they don’t like us.

Rick: And what are they willing to do with humanity?

Alex: Eat us. There’s no need for us. I mean, look at where we are. Look at us right now as a civilization, as a society, okay. They don’t need anything. They have all this technology that they want. We can’t really offer them, except maybe work, do some work for them. But they don’t need all of us to work for them. They don’t respect human life in any way whatsoever. And this goes back to Lyra, to where the original war started. When they got to Lyra originally, they saw this human race that was plentiful in food, that could grow food, that could do all of these agricultural things. And mankind on a whole is really agricultural. We really as a race, if we were left alone, we’d be nurturing the Earth, we’d be living in tribal communities like the native American Indians did. That’s really our essence, our nature. I'm sorry, that's really our nature, our essence. The cities and the culture that we’re living in now has totally cut us off from the land, from what our real essence is, which is nature. You know, we’re starting to feed off each other now. It’s like so bizarre! It’s like when I see the Andromedans or when I’ve been exposed to the Pleiadians, when I see how they live and they teach and they live with each other, and they respect each other, and I come here, it reminds me of that sentence, that quote that Abraham Lincoln once said: “If you’re above the Earth looking down, you could be an atheist. But when I’m on the Earth looking up and seeing the heavens, I know there’s a God." It’s like the duality. And I think, enough of us, more of us really need to start taking the perspective that what we’re doing here isn’t right. We need to get in touch with what’s out there, with just the whole idea that: God, how did we get here, what makes me be here, as opposed to going home afterward, turning on TV, watching three hours of television, going to bed, getting up the next morning, going to work, and doing the same thing over, and over, and over, and over again, like robots. Throw the televisions away! Just throw them away!

Rick: Ok, what are the physical characteristics of the Alpha-Draconians? What do they look like?

Alex: They’re ugly! I mean they think were ugly too. I guess it’s all a matter of perspective and belief system. In my belief system, and I’m only taking responsibility for me, they’re ugly. They’re anywhere from seven to twenty-two feet tall. They can weigh up to eighteen hundred pounds. They’re reptilian. The ones who have stabby tales, if you see one that has no tail, he’s of the warrior class, or the worker class. The longer the tail, the higher their rank. When you see one with long tails, with winged appendages, he’s considered royalty. Whenever you see one, you ought to just run like hell. You shouldn’t approach it, you shouldn’t provoke it, just get the hell out of its way, just get out of its way, just run. There is a way to kill them. If you can’t cut off their head – they have two hearts: there’s one here, underneath this (the right) arm, and one here (underneath the left arm). Or, if you can’t get to that area and you need to slow it down, you need to hit it right above its groin area where it has a very large liver. You need to wound it there to slow it down. It is not something where man to man combat you’re going to be able to deal with, because they apparently have the strength of twelve – fifteen men. They’re incredibly quick. They’re incredibly psychic. They know what you’re going to do before you do it. And if they get here en masse, we've got real problems, real problems.

Rick: What do the Andromedans advise human beings to do if they encounter an Alpha-Draconian?

Alex: To leave, to leave its space. Get away. To get away.

Rick: What if they can’t?

Alex: Then they can’t.

Rick: And if they can’t?

Alex: They’ll usually be killed.

Rick: And have the Andromedans spoken in any detail about what a human being should do if they are in that position, for karmic purposes?

Alex: Look, that’s not karmic at all. All this metaphysical stuff: "you chose to be here." In some situations that’s true, when you’re creating your reality and you’re in your space. But when you’re being invaded, that’s not karma. That’s a violation of free will.

Rick: If your free will is being violated, Alex, what should you do?

Alex: You should ask for help. Ask for help. Put a call up to God. Put a call up to Heaven. Put a call to the Andromedans, the Pleiadians, whomever. Just put a call up and just deal with it. I don’t know, I mean, that’s just the nature of the beast. They don’t like us. We’re considered a food source for them, for them. We’re a food source for the Greys, but in an entirely different way.

Rick: Have they taught us to be carnivorous through the belief systems, have they taught us to eat meat and eat flesh?

Alex: Well it lowers the body’s vibration. It lowers the body’s vibration. If our body vibrated at a higher length, we would spiritually be evolving regardless of what our religions were teaching us. And they can’t have that! They can’t have us being free! They can’t us not being in control, because then we’re responsible for ourselves.

Rick: So as we move away from eating meat and more towards vegetarianism, we begin to raise our vibrational level and break the cycle.

Alex: It helps. Not everybody has to stop eating meat. It’s not an absolute requirement. It certainly helps, but some people’s belief systems will be that they just need a piece of meat, and for whatever their reasons are, that’s fine. If you want to eat meat, that’s fine. But you know what, feed your mind. Feed your mind with spirit, with questions about existence, about what it is we’re doing here, why we’re here, what the hell is really going on. Why is it that I have all these material things and I’m still miserable in my life?

Rick: I know a lot of people with questions, where are some of the truthful answers? You mentioned one book, “The Gods of Eden,” that you felt really strongly about. What other sources are there that you feel we have access to, aside from our inner selves – which is actually the best place to probably begin looking – but are there other starting points that people can use that you know of?

Alex: I mentioned “The Gods of Eden”. George Andrews’ books: “E.T.’s among us”. There’s a lot of information in there that not only deals with E.T.’s but also with the world political government, which right now is very dangerous for humanity, because it’s part of the great plan, it’s part of the aggressive alien plan to keep us in jail, do not pass go, but keep us in jail. Oh God, suddenly I draw a blank...

Rick: Just as you think about it, interject it into the conversation.

Alex: Ok.

Rick: You mentioned: throw the television out. Are television programs conditioning our youth to accepting these hostile beings do you think, or is that just human beings doing anything for a buck?

Alex: I don’t necessarily know. But the violence is desensitising, you know...

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Alex: Violence is just a way of life now. We’ve been taught that; we’ve been programmed that violence is just a way of life. So when we see really violent acts: “Oh, that’s too bad! Honey, what’s on channel 7?” or “What movie are we going to rent tonight?” That’s what it's come to. And it’s wrong. It’s absolutely wrong. There is no reason that any of this has to occur at all. It really doesn’t. And a lot of it is the responsibility of the people, because if the producers and Hollywood are going to make movies like this, and we go and buy the tickets, well, they're going to be motivated for the buck to continue to make these kind of movies, where if they spent twenty million dollars and nobody buys a ticket, they won’t be making those kind of movies. So it comes back to people taking personal responsibility for what they think, what they want to believe, and what it is that they want to create.

Rick: Do the Andromedans really feel that we will be able to reach that window?

Alex: Right now it’s undecided. And that’s the scary part. They don’t know.

Rick: What would help push it forward?

Alex: I don’t know. I really don’t know, except for just, start listening to people that are talking. Start really paying attention to what’s going on. My grandfather used to have a saying: “Believe nothing that you hear and half of what you see.” You know. I wouldn’t believe a thing that comes out of Washington D.C. In fact it’s my own personal belief that this next election that’s coming up next year (1996) in November, that every American should march on Washington D.C. and should fire every single person that’s there. They have run this country into the ground, they have totally sold us out to the United Nations for a buck, for the debt. And even the monetary system, it’s just a belief system! We could change that tomorrow if we wanted to. I mean, we’re so intelligent: we could create something different! But we're believing: “Oh, we got to have this money!” Do you know that we’re the only race, the only race in our galaxy where people starve, that people are homeless? It’s such bull! It hasn’t have to be like this. If you’re alive and you’re on the planet, and other civilizations, even the Draconian races, they take care of their own! They don’t sell out each other like we do here. They don’t throw somebody in the street because they don’t have a paper, which is really what it is. The only value on it is what we believe it is. They just don’t have that. You know. They don’t let children starve. They don’t feed grain to cattle that feed twenty percent of the population and let the other twenty-five percent that need the grain starve. It’s unconscionable! They would never even think to do that. But we do it here, for bucks, for money, for power.

Rick: That’s part of that conditioning process that’s been going on five thousand seven hundred years?

Alex: That’s part of it. BUT, the responsibility is that there are people that know what is going on and they play the game anyway. They don’t have the courage to say: “Look folks, let’s deal with the realities here.” We don’t have a guy that’s strong enough in office as president to stand up and say: “You know what ladies and gentlemen, we’ve really been sold out." That there are forces within our government – like what Kennedy tried to do – that just flat out want to destroy the United States because we’re too good, because we have too much, instead of raising the consciousness and the life, the everyday life. What is the word I'm looking for? A standard of living. Instead of raising the standard of living that we have globally. They would rather just destroy the United States, destroy our standard of living, so that we’re comparable to everybody else, so now everywhere is a third world nation. And that’s exactly what they’re doing. And they’re doing it for power, for greed. We’re selling out our own. And it’s just... Something's got to be done.

Rick: Could you describe the human military bases on the dark side of the Moon, Mars, and the Mars-probes as related to you by the Andromedans, and how the Alpha-Draconians fit into this scenario?

Alex: The Mars-probes, the Russian and the U.S. one, they’re gone. They were destroyed. They’re history. There's no secret here about well, it’s taking pictures privately. And it doesn’t matter whether you believe that or not, it’s history. March of ’89 the Russians took pictures. Mars was invaded. We had a human colony there of three hundred thousand or so I’m told. One was underground, one was above ground – Adam and Eve. They are conquered, the'yre being taken over. The human beings that are from Earth that volunteered or were kidnapped to go there are in deep trouble. Many of them have already been eaten. Some of them have already been killed. There’s nothing we can do here as a race to help them.

Rick: So Mars was conquered by the Alpha-Draconians?

Alex: That’s right. They came in and there’s a hundred thousand of them there. They have approximately two thousand one hundred and eleven ships, scout craft there. They’re in an area underground that is sixty-four square miles, known on Mars as the area of Tempe Terra. That’s where their base is. It’s an ancient base that they had. It’s over a million years old, and the last time it was in full bloom was three hundred and seventeen thousand years ago.

Rick: Now if we begin to train all our telescopes on that are we going to be able to see any activity going on there?

Alex: I suppose that we would. I have a feeling that they already are seeing incredible amounts of activity, but they’re not allowed to say it. They’re just not allowed to say it. Who's going to want to jeopardize going to jail, being ridiculed, being fired, giving up everything they have to come up and say: “Well, I’m an astronomer and I was looking at Mars and I saw Alien craft and I know there’s a base there, and it’s being conquered by reptilian aliens." Who's gonna have the guts to come up and say it? Nobody in the power elite; nobody wants to blow their mortgage!

Rick: But somebody's going to have to, right?

Alex: Well yes, eventually.

Rick: But it's going to be too late by the time they do it? Is that what you're thinking?

Alex: Yes. And that’s exactly what the Andromedans are thinking. You see, there are people probably saying: “Oh God, why don’t they just come down and save us?” There’s a lot to that. Number one: if we’re rescued, we don’t permanently evolve ourselves. Number two: we won’t take responsibility. If something goes wrong, we can always blame it on them. Number three: It doesn’t just change our reality, it changes their reality as well. Number four: The Andromedans and most of the other benevolent races, they don’t want to have to come down here and baby-sit us. That’s not their job. It’s not their job at all. And number five: Look at how we’ve treated our Earth. Look at how we’ve trashed it ourselves! They’re like: “Why should we come down here and help you when you don’t even want to help yourself, or even make the effort?” The cleaning up the planet we’re giving to government bureaucracies: here’s three billion dollars here, there’s ten billion dollars there. Here’s the super-fund to clean up toxic waste – twenty billion dollars. And the place is getting worse! You know. That’s not the problem. The problem is on an individual level, on an individual basis. Just don’t create plutonium anymore, just don’t create styrofoam anymore. Just tell the industries, the corporations, because we’re the ones that control it! We’re the ones buying the products. We won’t buy unless you fix it! End of story. Period. We need to change it; it’s our planet, we are the bulk of humanity. It isn’t the corporations, it isn’t the fortune five hundred, it isn’t the committee for three hundred, and it isn’t the trilateral. We could fire all of them if we had to. Period. It’s coming together and it’s doing something about it. And it's going to have to be grass-roots, and people are going to have to start doing it soon.

Rick: Are these leaders, if we do raise up, and do a grass-roots uprising, wouldn't they order the military to quell that like they do at Kent State or any other political demonstrations?

Alex: They probably will try, they probably will try. You’re absolutely right! You're absolutely right. But you know what? Let’s take an example of the American revolutionary war. Four percent of the population of the colonies actually rose up and fought the British. Only four percent! The rest stayed home, stayed in the pubs drinking ale, doing whatever, and waited to see who would end the war, to see who would win. And then when we won, everybody wanted to take credit for it. But it was really only four percent! Those heroes. And those four percent changed the face of the world. Well America, two hundred and ten or twelve years, whatever it is now, we’re right back at the same place where we’re being called to do exactly the same thing.

Rick: But the paradox here Alex, would be then, that if we begin to war against ourselves, that’s exactly going to exactly fuel the whole fire that’s going on!

Alex: Maybe for a brief time it would, until one side surrendered, or saw the light. Do you know much about ...

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Alex: ...the New World Order? Do you know that they’re building concentration camps to put millions of people in? Do you know that the United Nations has got three hundred thousand troops in the United States right now that they’re going to use to confiscate weapons, and that they’re sending our active military troops out of the United States so they won’t be here when this happens? Are you aware that that’s going on? Do you know that just off the coast of, just south of the border at Vera Cruz there are three hundred tons of Soviet military equipment ready to invade, that there are states that actually wanted to succeed from the Union? Yes. There are nine different regions. The United States has already been designated to be split up. They’re getting ready to totally dismantle the United States of America! And the only real part of the United States of America – and I get so angry with this – is Washington D.C., sixty-eight square miles! That’s really all that is the United States! We are in the Republic of Arizona. People in California are in the Republic of California. It is those separate republics that make up a United States. Washington D.C. has totally manipulated everything! We’re no longer the United States, what the forefathers founded. It isn’t that at all. And in 1992 the Congress approved the UN-charter. But what people aren’t aware of, because it wasn’t printed in the press, in the newspapers, in our controlled media, is that because it’s a treaty, it supersedes the Constitution of the United States. The UN-charter is now the law of the land, not the constitution anymore. And in the UN-treaty, articles 55 and 56, look it up folks, proove me wrong, state that the United States Congress no longer has to abide by the US-Constitution. As of 1992 the United States of America ceased to exist. They just haven’t told the people yet. And they’re not going to tell them until after they have outlawed all weapons, after they have totally regulated the second amendment and taken everybody’s firearms away so you can’t fight, so you can’t stand there and be free anymore! This is all part of the plan. This is why the Andromedans are so strong about trying to make the awareness here in the United States, because not only there’s a controlled media, but there are some incredibly strong spiritual essences here, people here. And we did this no less than two hundred years ago, and many of the souls that where there then, have incarnated again. And they’re here; Jefferson is alive, the soul, Franklin is alive, Kennedy is back. Bobby Kennedy is back, Martin Luther King, Andrew Jackson, Lincoln, they’re all back in physical form. They’ve all incarnated, they’re all here in the United States, because right now this is where the battle is, between light and dark. You’ve got the Greys over us, you’ve got the reptilians underneath us, and between us you’ve got humanity, you've got the American people, all of the world, but you’ve got humanity sandwiched in the middle wondering: “What the hell is going on here?”

Let’s talk for another ten more minutes.

Rick: Okay. What is the ultimate agenda then of the Alpha-Draconians in relation to Earth and to this part of the Galaxy?

Alex: They do not want our galaxy to move into fourth and fifth density of consciousness, because they’d loose complete power.

Rick: But it will anyway, won’t it?

Alex: Not necessarily. There are no guarantees. There are no guarantees. There’s no guarantee that Earth is going to go into fourth or fifth density. There’s no guarantees that the entire galaxy is going to get there. Because if that were the case they would probably just leave us alone and not give a damn about what’s happening here. No. You see, the Draconians are third density; they’re physical just like us. They can only move into fourth density by mechanical means. If we move into fourth and fifth density, they've lost their playground. They've lost control of what they want to control. So they’re fighting like hell trying to hold everything back, because if they can hold everything back then, again, it’s a form of power, of control. It’s such a mess.

Rick: Alex, how do the Andromedans plan to remove the Alpha-Draconians? You said they’re the bullies who are the strongest. Can they not be removed?

Alex: Apparently the universe has created its own way of doing that, and maybe this is a good place to end. In the beginning – here’s the history of our universe – when it was created, the big bang theory, is essentially right in its simplicity. But apparently what happened was, as vibrations, as the universe starts to excel in light, this way, there are pockets, and you have to look at it as a holograph, a holographic projection of light. When you put a shadow into a light, it creates a variance of the light. Well, apparently what happens is, things that don’t ascend or choose to take higher consciousness, they get very, very heavy, in weight or in light, whatever you want to call it. And as everything starts to exceed up, bulges, dips in light, are created, in frequency, are created. And what happens is, negativity forms, because of its weight, its heaviness, forms into these pockets. Well what happens is, they form a sack, and eventually what happens is, if those sacks break, and because everything is spirit and nothing is ever wasted, they form, when they explode, they cast themselves out and they form another universe. They create a space for them to continue. Well that’s how our black holes are. That’s how they were formed. Those black holes, if we could get through them, would be to another universe; they’re portals and it would just explode out. Well that’s how our universe was created. Well, because of this new energy that’s being formed, pockets of resistance are now being formed all through the universe, and in our galaxy it’s right now between us and Sirus.

Rick: So the way that the Andromedans plan to remove the Alpha-Draconians would be...

Alex: Basically to try to contain them and their own energy themselves will suck them into a place of darkness so they can move out into another place. The Greys, the Orion groups, this is going to happen. It has happened before. They know it’s happening now, and this is why everybody feels this intense energy; things are suddenly really starting to increase, and it’s simply because it IS increasing.

Rick: So in a prior time then they were sucked out of another universe into Alpha-Draconis. Is that basically, essentially what happened?

Alex: They were sucked from wherever they were into another universe. Somehow, that universe, or the beings in that universe, wherever they came from, said: “We got to get rid of these guys.” – and they literally brought them here, from their universe, and dumped them, and said: “Boom, this is where you are.” Because they came here in physical form, which means they had to have been brought here. They didn’t evolve like all the other life forms here have evolved. They were brought here in full physical form, which means they were created someplace else and dumped here and said, you know: “You’re history.”

Rick: Someplace else then, there are some very irresponsible people.

Alex: Well, maybe at some point in our eternal history we’ll be able to address that issue. But for right now, we need to address our own issues.

Rick: Ok, let’s go to the world club then to end this up, and future events. According to the Andromedans mankind has been manipulated for five thousand seven hundred and twenty-four years. Human agents must have participated in this throughout history. Who were some of the major players in this deception? You mentioned Hitler and the Giza Intelligence.

Alex: Most of the pharaohs, most of the ancient Egyptian gods, I mean, there are so many, I couldn’t honestly tell you, I mean, history is chock full of it. I think what people need to do is to go back and look at what we call mythology, and really start giving it a second look. Richard Thompson, in his book, although I’ve not read it, but I’ve heard others talk about where he delves into the history of things. And it’s also important to remember that just because it’s history, doesn’t mean it’s accurate history, because it has been proven over, and over, and over again: whoever wins the war rewrites history. They write it to their benefit, to glorify themselves. And that doesn’t mean that that’s really what happened. And according to the Andromedans, our next major leaps in consciousness are going to come from science and archaeology. It isn't going to come from any spiritual or teachings. It’s going to come from science where science is going to say: “You know what, this. Here’s the proof. This is true. This is reality, and I don’t know what this stuff is. We can’t proof that.” And it’s time we really start paying attention. Maybe in a future time we can share more or do another interview or something.

Rick: In a specific way, please describe in detail what the Rhode Club is and who comprises it and offer some specific examples of how they’re controlling the rest of us.

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Alex: Um, well...

Rick: The banking circles maybe?

Alex: Yeah, it all revolves around money.

Alex: The world bank. International monetary fund. I mean, they've got the whole world in debt. You know, governments are giving away their mineral rights in perpetuity. The United States government is now in a position to declare a national state of emergency, suspend the Constitution of the United States and nationalize. And the reason they will have to nationalize is because our debt far exceeds any ability to pay it back.

Rick: So who are the collectors? Which countries are the collectors?

Alex: It's not a country, it's a group of men. It's a group of human beings.

Rick: It's a group of human beings?

Alex: Right. The aliens don't need money. They don't need an American Express card. It's a man-made thing.

Rick: So if the rest of us simply say, "We're not paying back the debt, that's it, we're starting over. You can forget your whole system." Then we can erase that whole thing and start over.

Alex: That's right. If we had a real President in office, and Kennedy was probably really the last one, what he should do is just get on TV and really spill it all out. Surround himself with people that maybe he can trust to protect his life. He should get on television before congress and all the houses, the house of representatives, in front of everybody and spend three hours and give everybody a real education. Number one, the federal reserve is private. Number two, our debt isn't real. Number three, we've gotten ourselves into this big mess because past presidents sold us out for comfort and for money.

Alex: And apologize. And then he ought to tell, and just say that "I'm nationalizing all the banks under the United States Treasury. We're going back to a silver standard just like the Constitution says." And give everybody an opportunity to get back on track here. You know, to maintain our standard of living and just start healing. And then the next thing I would say is, "If there were any POW's alive that they came back home." And I would start healing all of that crap. The fact that our POW's were sold out because of a debt. Because of three billion dollars when we've wasted three billion dollars we've promised to Viet Nam. When we've wasted that kind of money on such stupid things as studying the sexual habits of a tetse fly or of frogs mating. I mean, it's just unconsciable that we've allowed our government to do this.

Rick: Alex, we've got about five minutes left. Let's see if we can do some real brief answers to some of these last couple things. Just real brief. The United States, Britain and the Soviet Union according to sources have been building secret technologies and bases on Earth and then on Mars for some time. Where are these bases to be found on the moon?

Alex: Where are they?

Rick: Yes.

Alex: They're on the dark side.

Rick: Do you know what the locations are. what they are called?

Alex: Yes. One is under Jules Verne. I wish I had those notes in front of me. Let's come back to that.

Rick: Ok. Have they told you anything about Area 51? Or Dulce, New Mexico?

Alex: Yeah, there were a lot of stuff there. The actual underground base is not underneath Arcaleda Mesa. It's actually twenty miles to the northwest. That's just an entrance point in and out.

Rick: This is Area 51?

Alex: No, this is in New Mexico, Dulce.

Rick: Dulce, ok.

Alex: It's not exactly right there. As far as Area 51, yes there is a lot of stuff that was going on there but a lot of that has been moved and is now in New Mexico, in the Sandea, underneath the Sandea laboratory.

Rick: Diego Garcia island.

Alex: Diego Garcia island, there's a base there. Pine Gap. Diego Garcia Island there's anti-gravity anamolies there. And this is how they were able to blow a lot of equipment into space without using rockets. And then they would have the UFO type craft that we built from technology that we were given. They would hook a tow chain to it and like a tow barge just tow it to the moon. And it runs. And the equipment that is there is run on free energy. Stuff that was built, that was created in the 1920's. That we've been absolutely not privy to. We haven't had to pump one gallon of oil out of the ground since the late 1920's. They've had free energy. But because of money, they've allowed us to be controlled. They've allowed us to pollute the environment. To devastate the oceans because of petroleum products when we don't need it. For money!

Rick: Which brings us briefly to alternative four.

Alex: When the martian base fell, the world government, those elite figured out: "well, we don't have anyplace to go now. The moon is not set up for long term habitation, where Mars is and could be." So what happened was, when it fell and they knew we couldn't get there, they figured, "well, we gotta do something about here 'cause we have nowhere else to go." So I was told by the Andromedans that these men who think that they're God had to come up with another alternative. Which was they thought that they could create a controlled polar shift by detonating nuclear weapons or cobalt weapons underneath the south polar ice cap causing it to slip. Which would cause the poles to slip. And within a 24 hour period you would completely drown 83-85 percent of the population.

Rick: So the Andromdans said they will not allow this to happen?

Alex: It isn't going to happen. If the Earth is going to do it, it'll be done by her will in a natural way. And that is a possibility in our future.

Rick: What is the primary message of the Andromedans?

Alex: Grow up now. Open your eyes. Open your ears. Take responsibility for your life. Take responsibility for your planet. And realize this is your home. This is your race. And that if you are sincere in making the effort to evolve, they will meet us half way. But they're not going to come in here and do all the work for us. Their single most important thing is, and I'll go back to that little saying: "The love that you withold is the pain that you carry." We have got to start coming together as a race. We have got to stop allowing ourselves to be manipulated.

Rick: What can an average person do? I mean, how can we reach out to the Andromedans?

Alex: Prayer. Meditation. You know, everybody has their own way of praying or whatever. And again, I want to stress this: the Andromedans can help but they're not God. They're not our saviors. We need to be our own saviors. We can ask them for guidance and help, but they're not God. Period. You know, don't worship them, don't worship anybody. Worship the God inside of you.

Rick: What will happen to those human beings who do not make the jump?

Alex: They'll go somewhere else.

Rick: And what will happen to those beings who do make the jump after the jump?

Alex: They'll move into fourth and fifth density. Those of us who survive this incredible ordeal that we're about to really experience will become new teachers. And we'll be able to go to different worlds and teach what we know. And be able to teach other evolving civilizations what not to do and how not to get themselves in trouble. We have an incredible future if we can get through this. If ten percent of the population of the planet can really get it together it will create what is called the "Hundredth Monkey Syndrome" and suddenly eleven, twelve, thirteen percent. People will just start getting it. And it's going to take ten percent. That's five hundred, six hundred million people right now. And it starts on an individual basis. You know, the government's not going to tell you. They're going to play out the second coming, they're going to try to present a savior, they're going to project holographic images in space and say "we're here to save you!"

Alex continues: They're going to do mock battle. I mean, they're going to screw with us big time. Sorry, that slipped out, that word. Folks, we've just got to start paying attention. Don't take anything at face value. Make them prove it. Whether you believe a word I'm saying it doesn't matter. If somebody tells you that this is truth make them prove it. If it's real, it will stand up to scrutiny. If it isn't, it won't. Because the truth can always stand on its own. It doesn't need help and it doesn't need lies to stand up.

Alex concludes: And let's end it there. Thank you for this time. It's been a real honor for me.

Rick: Thanks Alex.

Alex: Thanks.